Monday, July 27, 2020

The Map Introduction


After we finished saying our rosary, we pulled out our maps, carefully unfolded them and looked them over. They were bulky and detailed, but what stood out on mine was a place called Sloth Valley. It looked desolate and vast. I cringed, and then I glanced over at my uncle so I could show him my map and ask him what he thought, but when I glanced over I saw him looking intently at one particular spot on his map. Looking over his shoulder I saw a place marked out on his path called Vainglory Mountain. From the look on his face it looked like he was up for the challenge, confident in God and with a healthy dose of curiosity. In another area of his map I noticed that we both needed to pass through an place called Gluttony Thicket.  I tensed up even more as my mind and imagination filled up with uncertainty and thoughts of all the things we might encounter on our journey. I felt myself getting lightheaded, but I caught myself holding my breath, so I took a deep breath, and then decided to put the map away for the time being.
 
As Anita looked over his shoulder, his memory flashed back to his wife who passed away three years ago. He could see her in the hospital that last day when they both said to each other "I love you" little suspecting that those would be the last words they would say to each other on earth. They had many stormy episodes in their marriage, but in the end they were praying the rosary. He hoped he would see her to apologize for how his pride had allowed a deep wound of resentment to make his treatment of her be a cold distancing so many times. His face firmed up to face the many failures in his life that he was about to experience.      

He was tearing and felt like he was about to sob uncontrollably when a cold breeze slapped his face and he saw a dark cloud headed towards the ship, and he said to his niece, "This is kinda stressful. You know who I'd like to meet here if she wasn't a fiction character, Anne of Green Gables. She would give us a little comedy relief and sunshine."

Then, from the corner of my eye I felt someone staring over in our direction. I slowly turned my eyes toward her, trying not to be obvious and saw that it was a bright eyed, red headed girl. Her eyes were sparkling and she looked really happy, almost bursting at the seams with enthusiasm, like she couldn’t wait to speak to us. I nudged Fred so he could take notice. When he looked up, he seemed to immediately recognized her. Under his breath he muttered “That looks like...” but before he could finish, the captain burst in and walked right up the red headed girl, leaned in to discreetly tell her something, and then suddenly she got up and they both walked out of the room

Wednesday, July 22, 2020

Chap 4b Is Francis a Modernist while John Paul II and Benedict are Semi-Modernists?

Anti-realism Kantian philosophy for the most part is the thinking that brought about Modernism.

Those influenced by it such as Maurice Blondel and Francis who wholeheartedly follows his Modernist teaching as well as John Paul II and Benedict XVI who follow his teachings partially through the German Jesuit Karl Rahner

Here is a quick review from a earlier Chapter of  Rahner who was one of most influential Catholic theologians of the twentieth century. He was a disciple of the philosopher Immanuel Kant who taught that one could only know the phenomena of the mind or ideas in the brain and not know reality:

"Kant, who begins with ideas and, as all the history of modern philosophy shows, never gets to reality."
(Chesterton: A Seer of Science, page 19)

Kant and those who follow him thought God was only a thought and not real:

"'God is not a being outside me but merely a thought within me.'"
(Angels, Apes and Men, page 10)

Rahner's Kantian philosophy lead him to deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Fr. Regis Scanlon.

The great Thomist theologian and teacher of Pope John Paul II, Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P., showed the problems with
Kantian philosohy and those influenced by it such as Maurice Blondel and Francis who wholeheartedly followed Modernism as well as John Paul II and Benedict XVI who follow his teachings partially through Rahner:

"One sees the danger of the new definition of
truth, no longer the adequation of intellect and reality...
And so then, how can one avoid the modernist [Kantian] definition: "Truth is
no more immutable than man himself inasmuch as it
is evolved with him, in him and through him. (Denz.
2058) One understands why Pius X said of the
modernists: "they pervert the eternal concept of truth.
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(Denz. 2080) " [https://archive.org/stream/Garrigou-LagrangeEnglish/_Where%20is%20the%20New%20Theology%20Leading%20Us__%20-%20Garrigou-Lagrange%2C%20Reginald%2C%20O.P__djvu.txt]



John Paul II because he partially accepted Rahner's Kantian teachings had philosophical inadequacies such as his relativist inter-religious dialogue blind spot that lead to the Assisi scandalous episode unlike, at least to some extent, Benedict XVI. Scholar Fr. John Coleman S. J. wrote:

"John Hick's pluralist model is based on a Kantian epistemology that undermines, at the outset, any notion of a normative revelation of God in history... In Danielou's theology, the grace of Christ may mysteriously touch individuals outside Christianity but the other religions, their scriptures and rituals, remain purely human customs... Rahner did not make such a strict distinction... John Paul was closer to Rahner... Whereas Ratzinger had warned of the dangers of relativism in inter-religious dialogue." (Inter-Religious Dialogue: Urgent Challenge and Theological Land-Mine, PFD Australian Catholic University>au)

However, theologian David Schutz explained that "Ratzinger's [Benedict's] personal position" was also influenced by the religious relativism  of John Paul's Kantian Radnerism to some extent:

Posted on by Schutz

Dear Fr Coleman,


... I appreciate too your comparison of the current debate to the Jesuit/Dominican debate on Grace and Freedom, and your point that we could perhaps find a workable solution to the current debates by adopting a similar “both/and” rather than “either/or” approach to God’s universal will for salvation and Jesus’ unique mediatorship of salvation.
Thank you also for reminding me of the relationship between Danielou and Ratzinger. This is in fact a documentable relationship – they were both founders of the Communion school, for one thing, but for another Ratzinger often refers to Danielou in his writings. I do not know whether you could find a similar documentable relationship between the theology of John Paul II and Rahner. The positions of these two may seem similar in many ways, but I am not aware of the late holy father footnoting Rahner in support of any of his statements in the same way Ratzinger regularly does of Danielou.

It is in reference to this latter point that I feel uncomfortable with one aspect of your paper. You consistently refer to the declaration Dominus Iesus as an example of the personal theology of Joseph Ratzinger (now gloriously reigning as Benedict XVI, of course!) when in fact it was the work of a group of theologians (your own quotation from James Frederichs notes this better than you do), an official statement of the Congregation of the Document, and a document which was authorised by John Paul II himself. That should raise some questions.

I think you would have gained a far more accurate idea of Ratzinger’s personal position if you had actually referred to his personal writings on the matter (which, not incidentally, are more clearly reflected in BXVI’s magisterium than is Dominus Iesus). I am thinking of the essays included in the collections “Truth and Tolerance” (published 2003), “Many religions, One Covenant” (pub 1999), and in particular his 1998 essay “Interreligious Dialogue and Jewish-Christian Relations” (published in Communio in 1998). The latter especially, I think, shows Ratzinger to be much more open to interreligious dialogue than you portray him to be by taking Dominus Iesus as representative of his theology. The influence of Danielou, take note, is still very strong in these writings – yet Ratzinger goes much further than Danielou in the final analysis towards an acceptance of the value of Interreligious dialogue. In particular, I think Ratzinger would share with you the need to value dialogue in itself, and a desire to go beyond “overarching theories” based on soteriology. His discussion of the two major ways of being “religious” (mystical and theistic) is much more “pluralist” than Danielou’s theology.

Just one other point. I regularly find (in ecumenical and interreligious dialogue) that a hermeneutic of suspicion is applied to Dominus Iesus which it might not merit. It helps if we take it as a document addressed to Catholics, and not to the wider religious world. It is entirely (perhaps one sidedly) preoccupied with the dangers of pluralist theologies such as that of Hicks. This explains why it hardly offers an “invitation” to interreligious dialogue. We fall into difficulty if we take it to refer to more than it understands itself to refer to.

In this respect, one discrepancy I noted in your essay was this sentence:
“On the other, those who insist, as Dominus Jesus does, that there is no “economy of the eternal Word that is valid also outside the Church and unrelated to her” ( # 9 ) may be conflating, unjustifiably, the church, as such, and the reign of God ( which while related to the church is not entirely co-extensive with it).”

What Dominus Iesus was rejecting was that there could be any valid “economy of the eternal Word” external to the Church which was at the same time “unrelated to it”. In bringing up the very important and oft’ repeated assertion that “the Church is not entirely co-extensive with” the Kingdom of God while at the same time always related to it, you in fact yourself show that Dominus Iesus does not conflate unjustifiably, the church, as such, and the reign of God”. In saying that there is no “economy of the eternal Word” which is both external to and unrelated to the Church, Dominus Iesus is simply saying (as it says elsewhere in the document) that the Church and the Kingdom cannot be completely separated from each other.

These criticisms not withstanding, I thank you for this insightful essay which I have added to my collection of essays on the subject.

Every best wish for your work in the new year.

David Schütz
(A response to Fr John A. Coleman's essay "Inter-Religious Dialogue: Urgent Challenge and Theological Land-mine": http://scecclesia.com/archives/1471)



Next, Larson quote from page 140

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Further information and considerations for this chapter:

 http://scecclesia.com/archives/1471:


  1. chütz says:
    Yes, Ches, and here it is with his permission:
    Dear David Schutz,
    Thank you for your helpful comments. The essay was originally a public lecture at Notre Dame U in Freemantle when I was the Thomas More Chair at the University of Western Australia. I only wish I had had your comments before I published it. It is not, of course, my own field as such ( I do social ethics and sociology of religion) but I wanted to venture into it. I have actually read a wonderful explanation of both the uniqueness of Christ as mediator and the relativity ( but not relativeness) of Christian language by Robert Bellah in a reflection on H. Richard Niebuhr’s book on Monotheism.. It appears in the Bellah reader which I am reviewing. Like your comments, I feel my essay would have been improved if I had read the Bellah piece previously. But I will save your remarks for any further treatment of the topic. Best wishes.
    [NB. The Bellah essay to which he refers may be accessed at: http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=241
  2. Schütz says:
    Fr Coleman also directed me to his blog articles on the America Magazine blog, to which he is a contributor. You can read some of them here: http://www.americamagazine.org/blog/blog.cfm?blog_id=2&category_id=4A036CBE-3048-741E-7E219DA621BAC8D7



MEwbank said…
Your contrast of Bergoglio with John Paul ii and Benedict xvi concerning devotion to the Eucharist as patently real and true for the latter two seems difficult to argue with.

Arguably, on the personal level and in their overall public stances they promoted such. However, neither did anything markedly decisive institutionally to promote and inculcate this profound truth.

Moreover, the ambivalences within the papacies of these two figures, however, are troubling.

Your reference to Fr. Coleman's essay reminded me that he was contacted by a Dr. David Schütz, who insisted on the following, and Coleman fully accepted what is said below.

"I think you would have gained a far more accurate idea of Ratzinger’s personal position if you had actually referred to his personal writings on the matter (which, not incidentally, are more clearly reflected in BXVI’s magisterium than is Dominus Iesus). I am thinking of the essays included in the collections “Truth and Tolerance” (published 2003), “Many religions, One Covenant” (pub 1999), and in particular his 1998 essay “Interreligious Dialogue and Jewish-Christian Relations” (published in Communio in 1998). The latter especially, I think, shows Ratzinger to be much more open to interreligious dialogue than you portray him to be by taking Dominus Iesus as representative of his theology. The influence of Danielou, take note, is still very strong in these writings – yet Ratzinger goes much further than Danielou in the final analysis towards an acceptance of the value of Interreligious dialogue. In particular, I think Ratzinger would share with you the need to value dialogue in itself, and a desire to go beyond “overarching theories” based on soteriology. His discussion of the two major ways of being “religious” (mystical and theistic) is much more “pluralist” than Danielou’s theology."

Both John Paul ii and Benedict xvi, in their theological reflections and pastoral actions, obscured clarity of judgement (hence, markedly emphatic articulation of propositional certitudes)that one would typically have found in thinkers committed to, and inspired by, St. Thomas Aquinas.

At this stage of the game, it is distressing to face the fact that Bergoglio is almost certainly an anti-pope, due not only to likely violations of the conclave that elected him, but also due to unresolved ambiguities of Benedict's formal resignation. Finally, Bergoglio assuredly is an utterly shallow, and verifiably heterodox person.

But one wonders whether, even if it were and is possible to attain firm recognition of Benedict xvi as still being the Pope, would this alleviate our extreme difficulties and the current implosion of the Church's institutions? 

After all, in spite of his comparative superiority, he is also the bearer of many nebulous and ambivalent tendencies.

Our situation is dire and seemingly unprecedented in history.

Monday, July 20, 2020

Hell and Limbo 2

Hell and Limbo



My uncle and I reached for our scapulars which clung around our necks, we grasped them and closed our eyes as we prayed a thanksgiving. 
Father Wolfferger explained 
"The beetles had been attracted to you because of your predominant fault of sloth and the snakes had been attracted to my uncle because of his predominant fault of vain glory."
“The vermin at the gates here can 'smell' the state of your soul. Each has its favorite stench. The longer you are there the more The stench of sin and vice ferments, and thus the greater appeal you have. It begins with the vermin, but there are much bigger and more sinister things that would have soon come for you.” 

Anita's uncle asked "So, we're in Hell and near the Gates of Hell?' After Vatican II, they pretty much said no one was in Hell or Limbo?'

Father Wolfferger laughed and said "You may meet some of the Modernist who said that in your journey though Hell."   

Fred replied, "Might through invisible ignorance some of them be in Limbo? Didn't the Protestant C. S. Lewis have a demon write, 'The difficulty lay in their very smallness and flabbiness. Here were vermin so muddled in mind, so passively responsive to environment, that it was very hard to raise them to that level of clarity and deliberateness at which mortal sin becomes possible. To raise them just enough; but not that fatal millimetre of “too much.” For then, of course, all would possibly have been lost. They might have seen; they might have repented. On the other hand, if they had been raised too little, they would very possibly have qualified for Limbo, as creatures suitable neither for Heaven nor for Hell; things that, having failed to make the grade, are allowed to sink into a more or less contented subhumanity forever."

Father with a ironic look said, " You're a real amateur theologian I can see. You'll probably be meeting Lewis on your journey."  
 
Fred, smiling, asked:
 
"Talking about theologians, in one of your YouTube videos didn't you say unbaptized babies probably couldn't go to Heaven. But, the great theologian Cardinal Cajetan said the  baptism of desire of responsible Catholic parents could open the way to heaven and the Council of Trent refused to condemn him."      
 
Are Cajetan and Lewis in Limbo or Purgatory or Heaven or is this a dream? Lewis in another book said of a journey like this that 'Do not ask of a vision in a dream more than a vision in a dream can give.' In other words, his vision was only a dream. Are we in a dream?"

Wolfferger replied, "Mr. Questions: No, you are not in a dream. The earth is more like the movie the Matrix where there is a real reality underneath the illusions produced by sinful nature and the mass cultural and media propaganda machine. Here the air is clearer in a sense and you see reality clearer than you could on earth. You'll understand more of this at the end of your journey.
 
"But in the mean time, I will lead you both to a ferry that will carry you out of here. It will cross a large, dark body of water and drop you off at the shores of purgatory from where you'll catch a bus. By the way, don't be surprised if you talk to Cardinal Cajetan and some other great theologians, Mr. Questions "

Monday, July 13, 2020

Chapter 3 Is Francis the same as Benedict & John Paul II?

The Remnant and Steve Skojec are right in saying that the Vatican II's ambiguities which were a forerunner of Amoris Laetitia's ambiguity lead to false ecumenism within the Church and outside.

Strangely, the non-traditionalist conservative Matthew Schmitz put it best:

"[T]he post-Vatican II settlement [of]... Upholding Catholic teaching on paper but not in reality as led to widespread corruption... a culture of lies... that allowed men like McCarrick to flourish."

It allowed the Church of Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI to keep heretics and homosexual predators in the hierarchy such as McCarrick and others like him to flourish and to promote neo-sacrilegious media productions such as the Assisi fiasco and the kissing of the Koran.

This was wrong and God will judge them for their failures to be good fathers (popes) in allowing evil men into God's Church to abuse and to lead many to indifferentism and away from salvation which is only in Jesus through His Church.

Both sincerely in my opinion because of false philosophical personal ideas while not totally abandoning Thomism tried to do the practically almost impossible task of being loyal to the infallible teachings of the Church while holding on to neo-modernist Personalist versions of Kantian and Hegelian philosophy as well as the ambiguities of Vatican II.

Benedict if you read his later writings finally rejected Kantianism, but apparently couldn't completely give up Hegelianism.

However, he realized in a vague way that the ambiguity of Vatican II was destroying the Church so he brought back the Traditional Latin Mass and attempted to fight against sex abuse, the Vatican gay lobby and reform the finances to the Church.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, these efforts united the financially corrupt old guard of Cardinal Angelo Sodano and the Vatican gay lobby which brought about Vatileaks and other pressures against Benedict that eventually lead to the Benedict resignation and the papacy of Jorge Bergoglio whose pontifical validity has been questioned by many even in the hierarchy from the beginning to this day.

As Bishop René Gracida has said there was never universal acceptance of Bergoglio by the Church.

But even more importantly, there are reasonable doubts about the validity of Benedict's resignation and Bergoglio's lawful election to the papacy which were never present with the other papacies which Bishop Gracida declares must be investigated and interpreted by the cardinals as John Paul's conclave constitution explicitly states.

This is one reason that Francis is not the same as Benedict and John Paul.

The other reason that The Remnant and Skojec are wrong about saying Francis is the same as Benedict and John Paul can be put simply in analogy:

John Paul and Benedict were sincere doctors with medicine that was getting the patient sicker.

Benedict realized the medicine was bad and slowly started giving good medicine.

But in my opinion, Francis is a doctor who is trying to kill the patient by slow poisoning.

In my opinion, it is obvious that Francis doesn't have even a remnant of Thomism. Nor does he apparently care about being loyal to the infallible Church teachings. He appears to be a nihilistic postmodernist like his favorite theologian Michel de Certeau.

Francis's only grasp of reality or meaning appears to be leftist and Peronist ideology as well as his close friend the kissing bishop's Bernard Haring Hegelian situation ethics all dressed in religious language.

While Benedict and John Paul upheld Church teachings on paper while not always in reality, Francis with Amoris Laetitia, the Argentine letter, the death penalty Catechism change and the latest indifferentism papal statement isn't even upholding the infallible teachings on paper.

George Gilder wrote a book called "Sexual Suicide" which helped me return to the Church because it showed that the Catholic teachings on sexuality were true and those outside those teachings were committing slow suicide.

Francis in my opinion is trying to kill the Church by slow suicide.

He will not succeed because Jesus promised the gates of Hell will not prevail.

Those who don't oppose him in my opinion are his accomplices unless they are in invincible ignorance.

In my opinion, it appears that if Francis doesn't convert he may be heading down a path of destruction along with all his accomplices if they don't convert if they aren't in invincible ignorance.

I feel sorry for them.

We must pray for him and his accomplices, but most of all we must pray for all those abused and lead away from salvation by their promotion of heresy.


Islam_Is_Islam said…
Thank you, Mr. Martinez, for this summary regarding Canon 332.2:

But even more importantly, there are reasonable doubts about the validity of Benedict's resignation and Bergoglio's lawful election to the papacy which were never present with the other papacies which Bishop Gracida declares must be investigated and interpreted by the cardinals as John Paul's conclave constitution explicitly states.
Kathleen1031 said…
Thank you for this well crafted commentary, which delightfully mirrors my own opinion on these matters. No wonder I like it!
Until such time as the bishops and Cardinals take this matter on, we can only resist and should.
Attend the Latin Rite.
Refuse to financially support the NO false church.
Give gift cards only to faithful priests, no money to the diocese.
Help educate the Catholics who don't know.

There is no way this angry, vindictive, apostate should remain in the Chair. He not only threatens the entire church and the people of God, but Christendom itself. His satanic push for the invasion by Islam is only comprehensible to those who wish to see Christendom destroyed, and their dupes, and there are many.
Unknown said…
I've interacted with Skojec a lot, and I don't recall him ever stating that "Francis is the same as Benedict and John Paul". In fact he has made distinctions between the them. Ditto Remnant for that matter.
William said…
Very well said. God in His Wisdom has given us a circumstance that forces us to recall the true natural wisdom of fatherhood and the need for law in society. Studying the modern papacy has helped me immensely in my own Faith but, sadly, by studying what was absent and what should be there.
S said…
Excellent metaphor. The bad medicine is Modernism. The poison is the full dose. The current 1983 (?) CCC is the intentionally abigous masonic masterpiece of these Judases. It is the cross-less church of self worship. Fron the first edition (scrubbed in the 2nd) "homosexuality may be a burden for some" - apparently it has been a great career path for many.
Steve said…
Fred, this thing where you misread and misrepresent me is starting to be a pattern. I didn't say they were the same. I said we don't arrive at Francis without JPII, and that their differences are more of degree than of kind.

There are certainly incongruities between their teachings, but these are not irreconcilable. As I read somewhere last year, it's a Mensheviks/Bolsheviks situation. JPII, Benedict, and Francis are all revolutionaries, but the former two were significantly more moderate than the latter.

As Benedict wrote in his manipulated, but later fully-published letter about the work of Pope Francis, "The small volumes show, rightly, that Pope Francis is a man of profound philosophical and theological formation, and they therefore help to see the inner continuity between the two pontificates, despite all the differences of style and temperament."

The inner continuity is real. It doesn't make them all the same. It does mean they were all, to a greater or lesser degree, on the same team: modernism.
Fred Martinez said…
Steve, I will respond to all your claims above in a post probably later in the week.

Can you respond to the specific questions I have asked you in my posts and the specific evidence in those posts that bring into question your "universal acceptance" defense of the 100℅ "infallible certain[ty]" of the papacy of Francis?

Also, why are you apparently so afraid of Bishop Gracida's call for an cardinal investigation of the probable unlawful activities against Pope John Paul II's conclave constitution by cardinals in the conclave that elected Francis?

Will you give me permission to quote a email you send me on your private thoughts on Benedict and Francis for my response post later in the week?

You're in my prayers. Please pray for me.

Chapter 4 Athanasius called Semi-Arians Brothers and add Larson quote

Athanasius called Semi-Arians Brothers; can we call Semi-Modernists Brothers while correcting their Ambiguous Errors?

 Chapter 1  Athanasius called Semi-Arians Brothers; can we call Semi-Modernists Brother while correcting their Ambiguous Errors?

Cardinal  John Henry Newman in his historical research into the Arian heresy showed that the Doctor of the Church St. Athanasius was careful to make the distinction between the full fledged Arian heretic and the "weak" Semi-Arian: 

"Some... assembled [Council] prelates advocated... harsh measures towards the [Semi-Arian] Arianizers... Athanasius, however, proposed more temperate measures... A decree was passed, that such bishops as had communicated with the Arians through weakness or surprise, should be recognized in their respective sees, on signing the Nicene formulary; but that those, who publicly defended the heresy, should only be admitted to lay-communion... Yet it cannot be denied, that men of zeal and boldness were found among the [Semi-Arian] Arianizers. Two laymen, Flavian and Diodorus, protested with spirit against the [unambiguous Arian] heterodoxy of the crafty Leontius, and kept alive an orthodox [Catholic] party in the midst of the [Arian] Eusebian communion."
(The Arians of the Fourth Century, By John Henry Newman, Pages 198-199)  

'Yet the men were better than their creed; and it is satisfactory to be able to detect amid the impiety and worldliness of the heretical party any elements of a purer spirit, which gradually exerted itself and worked out from the corrupt mass, in which it was embedded. Even thus viewed as distinct from their political associates, the Semi-Arians are a motley party at best; yet they may be considered as Saints and Martyrs, when compared with the Eusebians, and in fact some of them have actually been acknowledged as such by the Catholics of subsequent times. Their zeal in detecting the humanitarianism of Marcellus and Photinus, and their good service in withstanding the {300} Anomœans, who arrived at the same humanitarianism by a bolder course of thought, will presently be mentioned. On the whole they were men of correct and exemplary life, and earnest according to their views; and they even made pretensions to sanctity in their outward deportment, in which they differed from the true Eusebians, who, as far as the times allowed it, affected the manners and principles of the world. It may be added, that both Athanasius and Hilary, two of the most uncompromising supporters of the Catholic doctrine, speak favourably of them. Athanasius does not hesitate to call them brothers [Note 7]; considering that, however necessary it was for the edification of the Church at large, that the Homoüsion should be enforced on the clergy, yet that the privileges of private Christian fellowship were not to be denied to those, who from one cause or other stumbled at the use of it [Note 8]. It is remarkable, that the Semi-Arians, on the contrary, in their most celebrated Synod (at Ancyra, A.D. 358) anathematized the holders of the Homoüsion, as if crypto-Sabellians [Note 9]."
[ http://www.newmanreader.org/works/arians/chapter4-2.html]
 - Cardinal  John Henry Newman

In my opinion, it is obvious that Francis is a full fledged Modernist. He apparently doesn't care about being loyal to the total body of infallible Church teachings. He appears to be a total Modernist (See: //catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-evidence-that-pope-francis-is.html?m=1):

-"[T]he [Modernist] Blondelian schema holds that justification for the faith is to be found by turning inwards to the personal experience of the human subject. This turn to the subject is characteristic of modern philosophy, from Descartes right up to the Idealism of Kant and Hegel and beyond, and presented a major challenge to the traditional Catholic apologetics... If it were the case that inner experience justified the faith, if each person was to find the proof of God’s existence within their own life, then what would be the basis for the teaching authority of the Church?"
- Liberal AnthonyCarroll  [https://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20090724_1.htm]

"Between [Modernist Maurice] Blondel's philosophy of action and Pope Francis' pastoral action, there are significant coincidence."

- Pope Francis's close longtime theological advisor Fr. Juan Carlos Scannone 
( La Civiltà Cattolica 2015 III /www.laciviltacattolica.it )" [https://m.facebook.com/civiltacattolica/photos/a.10150836993325245.745627.379688310244/10242607255245/?type=3]

Francis's closest adviser and collaborator Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga apparently declared himself, Francis and all liberals to be total Modernist heretics since Vatican II:

"The Second Vatican Council... meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and Modernism... Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and rights of the person."
(Whispers in the Loggia Website, "The Council's  'Unfinished Business,' The Church's 'Return to Jesus"... and Dreams of "The Next Pope" - A Southern Weekend with Francis' 'Discovery Channel,'" October 28, 2013)

The homosexual journalist conservative Catholic Milo Yiannopoulos in his book "Diabolical" reported:

"Since Vatican II, most popes have been preoccupied with holding together the conservative [
Semi-Modernist] and liberal [Modernist heretic] factions that emerged in its wake."

Why were the conservative Vatican II popes, John Paul II as well as Benedict XVI and why are almost all the conservative present day bishops and conservative Catholics so afraid of a schism with the Modernist heretic faction?


Might it be because like in the Arian crisis when there were Arians and Semi-Arians so today there are Semi-Modernists who because of "weakness" don't want schism and want communion with the total Modernist heretics?

 If Francis is a Modernist then was Pope John Paul II and is Pope Benedict XVI a Semi-Modernists?

Remember what Cardinal Newman said:

"Athanasius, however, proposed more temperate measures... A decree was passed, that such [Semi-Arian] bishops as had communicated with the Arians through weakness or surprise, should be recognized in their respective sees, on signing the Nicene formulary; but that those, who publicly defended the heresy, should only be admitted to lay-communion." 

Semi-Arians were those who attempted the practically almost impossible task of being loyal to the traditional teachings of the Church while holding on to Semi-Arian ambiguous teachings because they were afraid of being in schism with the total Arian heretics.

So today, it appears that most conservative Catholics like the
Semi-Arians have tried to do the practically almost impossible task of being loyal to the infallible teachings of the Church while holding on to Semi-Modernist ambiguous teachings as well as the ambiguities of Vatican II because they are afraid of being in schism with the Modernist heretics.

Newman said that during the Arian Heresy Crisis 80% of the bishops were heretics which is probably similar to the number of bishops who today have fallen into Modernism or Semi-Modernism.

Columnist Chris Jackson writes that the
Semi-Modernist whom he says have the Neo-Modernist faith by simple statistics show that their Modernism has led to the collapse of the Catholic faith in America and the world:

"It is a shame that the
[Semi-Modernist] Neo-Catholics interviewed simply cannot make the obvious connection so many Traditionalists have made before them. That far from protecting the faith of Catholics against modern errors and temptations and helping to spread the Faith, Vatican II and its reforms opened the Church up to the modern errors and temptations and fed Her sheep to the wolves."

"... In order to be meaningful to anyone, the Faith being offered must have meaning to begin with. And Neo-Modernist faith does not. In fact, it is not faith at all. The Neo-Modernist faith ascribes to a mythical god who is not just, who punishes no sin, no matter how egregious, who works no real supernatural miracles, who is merely a representation or allegory of vague concepts, and who is to be used as a mascot to help attach religious significance to merely naturalist and humanistic concerns. Those who were poisoned by this 'faith' were right to leave it. Their only mistake was not replacing it with the true Faith it is obscuring. The answer to this exodus is not some desperate attempt to be even 'more relevant' by infusing more of the same poison, but to make these people aware of the true Catholic Faith that most of them have never even experienced despite growing up as Catholics in the modern era."
 
"...  Sadly, the answer is no. What do they blame the mass exodus from the Church since Vatican II on [is not Vatican II] ? You guessed it. [They blame]Traditional Catholicism (aka Catholicism itself)."
[https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4465-the-victims-of-vatican-ii-american-catholics-leave-the-church-in-record-numbers]

The attacks on the Open Letter appear to show that most conservative
[Semi-Modernist] Catholics, not all, are Modernists and appear to slowly be losing their faith in the same way they say a frog will boil to death if the heat in the stove under the pot is heated up slowly.

Open Letter signer  said it best:

"Just a few short years ago, everyone who considered himself a conservative was up in arms about Amoris Laetitia and skeptical of the elaborate rabbinical apparatus that attempted to square it with the Church’s perennial teaching. Now it’s as if they’ve given up; they shrug their shoulders and say, “I’m sure it’ll all be fine someday. It’ll come out in the wash. Put credentialed theologians and canonists on the case, and everything Francis says and does can be justified.” We strain the canonical gnats and swallow the doctrinal camel."

"It seems that many simply do not wish to confront the weighty and ever mounting evidence of the pope’s errors and reprehensible actions, of which the letter provided only a sample sufficient to make the case. This is not to say that Francis altogether lacks true words and admirable actions. It would be nearly impossible for someone to say false things or do bad things all the time. That is beside the point. It is enough for a pope to assert a doctrinal error only once or twice in a pontifical document, or to perform really bad acts (or omissions) of governance a few times, in order to merit rebuke from the College of Cardinals or the body of bishops, sharers in the same apostolic ministry. With Francis, however, there is a lengthy catalogue, with no sign of coming to an end. If this does not galvanize the conservatives into concerted action, one has to wonder — what would? Do they have a line in the sand? Or has papal loyalism dethroned faith and neutered reason?"

"Things that made everyone anxious just a few years ago are now taken in stride: now we all just live in a post-Bergoglian Catholic Church, where you can make exceptions about formerly exceptionless moral norms, give Communion to those living in adultery, and say God wills many religions as He wills two sexes, or — a point not addressed in the Open Letter — dismiss the witness of Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium (trifecta!) on the death penalty. The frogs have grown accustomed to floating in ever hotter water and have decided to call it a spa."
[https://onepeterfive.com/normalcy-bias-chaotic-pope/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Onepeterfive+%28OnePeterFive%29]


Sadly, it appears that most conservative Catholics are Semi-Modernists who seem to be slowly becoming total Modernist heretics?

Fr. George Rutler in his 2017 Crisis article said Fr. Antonio Spadaro, and by implication Francis since both he and Spadaro are liberal Jesuits, "grew up in a theological atmosphere of... Transcendental Thomism [which] was Karl Rahner's attempt to wed Thomistic realism with Kantian idealism. Father Stanley Kaki, theologian and physicist, called this stillborn hybrid 'Aquikantianism.'"
(Crisis, "The Mathematical Innovations of Father Spadaro," February 22, 2017)

Both the liberal Jesuits: Spadaro and Francis it appears are total relativists, as are most Jesuits and all liberal theologians.

Rahner's "Foundation of Theological Study: A Sourcebook" says:

"The German Jesuit Karl Rahner (1904-1984) remains one of most influential theologians of the twentieth century."
(Foundation of Theological Study: A Sourcebook, https://booksgoogle.com>books)

Rahner was a disciple of Kant as Rutler said. Jaki, also, makes this clear in his books on Aquikantists.

Kant taught that one could only know the phenomena of the mind or ideas and not know reality. Jaki wrote:

"Kant, who begins with ideas and, as all the history of modern philosophy shows, never gets to reality."
(Chesterton: A Seer of Science, page 19)

Kant and those who follow him thought God was only a thought. Jaki quotes Kant and explains the citation:

"'God is not a being outside me but merely a thought within me.'"

"That man was his own God, if he needed one, was evidently Kant's conclusion."
(Angels, Apes and Men, page 10)

Rahner's Kantian philosophy lead him to deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Fr. Regis Scanlon, OFM, Cap., wrote:

"In 1966 the late Fr. Karl Rahner stated that 'one can no longer maintain today that bread is a substance, as St. Thomas and the Fathers of the Council (of Trent) obviously thought it was'.[12] [Theological Investigations, page 307] For Rahner the 'substance' of a thing did not include its < material and physical> reality, but the 'meaning and purpose' of the thing. [13] [Karl Rahner, S.J.., p.307; Engelbert Gutwenger, "Transubstantiation," page 1754, pp. 34-35] So, according to Karl Rahner, transubstantiation meant that, after the consecration of the Mass, the physical bread remained physical bread but it now had a new 'meaning' of spiritual food because it was now a "symbol" of Jesus Christ.[14] [Engelbert Gutwenger, pp. 1754-1755]"

"Fr. Edward Schillebeeckx agreed with Fr. Karl Rahner that the physical bread and wine were only a 'sign' of Christ.[15] In fact, for Schillebeeckx, the 'real presence' of Christ in the Eucharist was not the consecrated bread and wine, but the < 'assembled community'>.[16]"
(Modern Misconceptions About The Eucharist, PDF, St. Patrick's Basilica > 2016/10, https://Basilica.ca, Provided courtesy of: Eternal Word Television Network)

Jaki thought the "archetype" figure of this type of philosophy which Rahner professed was "Lucifer":

"Kant who once wrote of himself: 'I am an Archangel!' and went on to state repeatedly: 'I am God.' The archetype for this self-enrichment was none other than Lucifer. If one looks for the source of the pride, the self-sufficiency... one merely has to look in the direction of the camp that still breeds Aquikantists... Aquikantists were overjoyed when the invocation of Saint Michael was dropped as a first step towards the new liturgy."
(Newman's Challenge, pages 76-77)

Remember Aquikantists, specifically Rahner, have totally influenced all liberal theologians and many, maybe most, conservative ones.

Rahner's influence even reached to the papacy of Pope John Paul II who believed in the Eucharist and objective morality unlike Francis who apparently may not believe in the Eucharist or objective morality.

John Paul because of philosophical inadequacies had a relativist inter-religious dialogue blind spot such as in the Assisi scandalous episode unlike Pope Benedict XVI. Scholar Fr. John Coleman S. J. wrote:

"John Hick's pluralist model is based on a Kantian epistemology that undermines, at the outset, any notion of a normative revelation of God in history... In Danielou's theology, the grace of Christ may mysteriously touch individuals outside Christianity but the other religions, their scriptures and rituals, remain purely human customs... Rahner did not make such a strict distinction... John Paul was closer to Rahner... Whereas Ratzinger had warned of the dangers of relativism in inter-religious dialogue." (Inter-Religious Dialogue: Urgent Challenge and Theological Land-Mine, PFD Australian Catholic University>au)

Rahner's influence has effected Francis as well as his inner circle, Catholic colleges, schools and children as well as youth catechism teaching books and their teachers who prepare them for the Sacraments.

Since all liberal Catholics and many conservative ones, knowingly or unknowingly, have been deeply influenced by Rahner's Kantian "theology," is it possible that the crisis in the Church, in large extent, is due to their unconscious and in some cases conscious disbelief in objective reality as well as objective "normative" revelation which leads to disbelief in the Eucharist and God.

Does this explain Francis's panicked reaction against Cardinal Robert Sarah's call for reverence at the Mass and the Holy Eucharist and his desire to explain away and in many cases openly reject God's Ten Commandments?

It appears that Francis isn't just a moral relativist and Modernist, but apparently may not believe in the Eucharist.

Why do some traditionalists, recently, want to pretend that the Amoris laetitia total relativist Francis is exactly the same as Benedict and John Paul who both believed in the Eucharist and objective morality despite both having major philosophical inadequacies and apparently are Semi-Modernists?

Next, Larson quote from page 140

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Further information and considerations for this chapter:


MEwbank said…
Your contrast of Bergoglio with John Paul ii and Benedict xvi concerning devotion to the Eucharist as patently real and true for the latter two seems difficult to argue with.

Arguably, on the personal level and in their overall public stances they promoted such. However, neither did anything markedly decisive institutionally to promote and inculcate this profound truth.

Moreover, the ambivalences within the papacies of these two figures, however, are troubling.

Your reference to Fr. Coleman's essay reminded me that he was contacted by a Dr. David Schütz, who insisted on the following, and Coleman fully accepted what is said below.

"I think you would have gained a far more accurate idea of Ratzinger’s personal position if you had actually referred to his personal writings on the matter (which, not incidentally, are more clearly reflected in BXVI’s magisterium than is Dominus Iesus). I am thinking of the essays included in the collections “Truth and Tolerance” (published 2003), “Many religions, One Covenant” (pub 1999), and in particular his 1998 essay “Interreligious Dialogue and Jewish-Christian Relations” (published in Communio in 1998). The latter especially, I think, shows Ratzinger to be much more open to interreligious dialogue than you portray him to be by taking Dominus Iesus as representative of his theology. The influence of Danielou, take note, is still very strong in these writings – yet Ratzinger goes much further than Danielou in the final analysis towards an acceptance of the value of Interreligious dialogue. In particular, I think Ratzinger would share with you the need to value dialogue in itself, and a desire to go beyond “overarching theories” based on soteriology. His discussion of the two major ways of being “religious” (mystical and theistic) is much more “pluralist” than Danielou’s theology."

Both John Paul ii and Benedict xvi, in their theological reflections and pastoral actions, obscured clarity of judgement (hence, markedly emphatic articulation of propositional certitudes)that one would typically have found in thinkers committed to, and inspired by, St. Thomas Aquinas.

At this stage of the game, it is distressing to face the fact that Bergoglio is almost certainly an anti-pope, due not only to likely violations of the conclave that elected him, but also due to unresolved ambiguities of Benedict's formal resignation. Finally, Bergoglio assuredly is an utterly shallow, and verifiably heterodox person.

But one wonders whether, even if it were and is possible to attain firm recognition of Benedict xvi as still being the Pope, would this alleviate our extreme difficulties and the current implosion of the Church's institutions? 

After all, in spite of his comparative superiority, he is also the bearer of many nebulous and ambivalent tendencies.

Our situation is dire and seemingly unprecedented in history.


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JJ said…
Lex orandi, lex credendi (Latin loosely translated as "the law of what is to be prayed [is] the law of what is to be believed") is a motto in Christian tradition, which means that prayer and belief are integral to each other and that liturgy is not distinct from theology.

He cannot say the novus ordo mass have it not affect your faith for the worse
JJ said…
society of Pius X has vocation and large families what does Novus Ordo have?


The Ottaviani Intervention
One of the most important critiques ever made of the Novus Ordo Missae.

Background to the study
On September 25, 1969, Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani, prefect-emeritus of the Sacred Congregation for the Faith, sent a letter to Pope Paul VI. Accompanying the letter was a theological “Study of the New Order of the Mass” (Novus Ordo Missae), written by a group of Roman theologians. Cardinal Ottaviani’s letter was a plea to His Holiness “not to deprive us of the possibility of continuing to have recourse to the fruitful integrity of that Missale Romanum of St. Pius V so highly praised by Your Holiness and so deeply loved and venerated by the whole Catholic world.” It was apparently in response to the Ottaviani Intervention that Pope Paul subsequently ordered a delay of two years in the deadline for mandatory implementation of the new Ordo.

A little known fact about the creation of this study was that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre chaired the working committee that drafted it. Historical details about this important event can be found in Marcel Lefebvre: The Biography by Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais.[1]

As briefly related by Fr. Ramon Angles in his transcribed conference, “A Short History of the Society of St. Pius X”:[2]

On April 3, 1969, the apostolic constitution Missale Romanum presented a new order of the Mass. Archbishop Lefebvre gathered together a group of 12 theologians who wrote under his direction, "A Short Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae" often called the "Ottaviani Intervention". Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci wrote indeed an introduction and presented the study to Paul VI. Since no response came from the Vatican, the archbishop announces to his small group of seminarians, June 10, 1971, that he refuses to accept this new protestantized liturgy: 'How can I agree to abandon the Mass of All Time or to admit to place it at the same level as the Novus Ordo, created by Annibal Bugnini, with the participation of Protestants to make of it an equivocal supper that eliminates totally the Offertory, and touches the very words of the Consecration.'"
Translation notes
The document and accompanying letter which Cardinal Ottaviani submitted to the Holy Father, which has also been submitted to the bishops of Italy, is printed in the following pages. It is the work of a group of theologians and liturgists in Rome, of different nationalities and differing tendencies.

Because the document was submitted as evidence in support of points made in the cardinal’s letter, the Italian original has been faithfully translated, which explains why it is not entirely suited to the English language. It does however, raise so many questions of such profound importance, some of considerable complexity, that it would be wrong to depart from the Italian text.

The evidence is cumulative and does not stand or fall on any single part. A brief summary is however provided to direct the attention of the reader to what may be of particular interest to him.
Michael Dowd said…
Rahner is considered the father of Vatican II which officially incorporated subjectivist (Modernist) thinking into the Catholic Church. As a result the Church has become largely Protestant in both the beliefs and actions of clergy and laity.

Unless corrected the Church is on its way to paganism and atheism, becoming a tool of the New World Order. We must pray that this intolerable situation is soon made known to all by God.
JJ said…
JPII took the oath against modernism he new exactly what modernism was
He new the The Syllabus Of Errors
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1864
So did BXVI no excuse they sold us out
You sugar coat all you want we been played as a Church
by their fruits you know them
Fred Martinez said…
You're right to a large extent. The closest example is the Arian crisis when it appeared the apparent last defender of orthodoxy St. Athanasius was about to be killed, but suddenly everything by God's providence turned around. Never forget that God is in total control.
Fred Martinez said…
MEwbank,

Please, if possible contact me by email. You have a scholarly understanding of the present situation similar to my friend scholar James Larson on Benedict except he doesn't think Francis could be a antipope. I would like to get your take on this in more depth and on some other subjects.

Fred
Sendero said…
As Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger charged her personally with the German version of particularly sensitive documents, such as his response to the objections of Protestant theologians to the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification of 1999. It was also Cardinal Ratzinger who, according to her own testimony, advised Sigrid Spath to remain a Protestant, and not to convert to the Catholic Church, as she had considered in a moment of crisis. She could do more for both churches if she remained a Protestant, said the Cardinal. The Carinthian remained in the Protestant Christuskirche in Rome [the Evangelical-Lutheran community of Rome] throughout her life.

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/02/she-wanted-to-convert-but-she-listened.html

Sunday, July 12, 2020

Hell and Limbo

Inferno

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Chapter 1 Inferno


I wasn’t sure where we were or how it was that we got there, but wherever we were, it was not a place where you would choose to go, if you’d have had the choice. 

The town was large, and you could tell also well inhabited, because from the corner of your eye you could see shadows dash quickly across the windows and dark transparent figures that moved so swiftly between the buildings and through the streets that you could blink, then look again, and they would be gone. It made me question whether they had even been there, but a burnt surfer-like stench that lingered in the air hinted to the fact that it wasn’t just our imaginations. 

Yet, at the same time, it was eerily quiet, it felt as if that moment of suspense when you hold your breath, so as to not miss even the slightest sound, in the vast ocean of silence that whispers clues of what might suddenly happen next. Just like that very still, tense moment that happens just before the hunting lioness, lying in hiding between the dense grass, her eyes fixed, paralyzed, and fully engrossed on her prey, holds herself in likewise suspense seconds before making her deadly strike to take down her unsuspecting prey. 

We glanced around trying to figure out where we should go and how to try and leave this dreadful place, but everything looked either closed down or unwelcoming. Windows were boarded up and the doors to each and every one of the brick townhomes that lined the street had makeshift barricades in front of the doors, with so many boards nailed across the entryway that you could barely see the surface of the wooden doors beneath. Padlocks could also be seen on the doors and the message was clear that something was desperately being avoided and trying to be kept out of the homes, at all costs. It was clear to us that we were not safe here. Then we noticed, up and off in the distance, some movement and some occasional flashing and flickering lights, but because of the dense fog at that higher elevation it was hard to make out exactly what it was. 
 
We looked at each other bewildered after realizing there was not a single place that felt acceptable approach, so we decided it might be safer to head over to the area where we saw the lights flashing and flickering from time to time. Hopefully, that’s were we could find our way out. 

Without words we glanced at each other and then immediately started to briskly walk up the hill.

As we made our way up the steep road, I began noticing small, dime-size, black figures scattering away across the floor just before our feet would hit the ground. When I glanced over and looked at my uncle, I was horrified to see little black bugs crawling on his back. I tried to brush them off but at the same time I felt something crawling up my arms and in a panic, I looked down and saw the same beatle like bugs crawling all over me. I screamed, started swating them away and ran and jumped onto a tall pile of debris. My uncle followed me and with his quick thinking and a calm, steady and confident demeanor, acquired from his years of crime fighting and heroic rescues as a sheriff, he grabbed some things from the ground and, fast as lightning, made them into a torch. The homes lining the streets had lanterns with flames burning, so he quickly lit the torch there and came back to where I was. By that time the bugs had covered all of my body but as he approached with the flame you could hear a sharp screeching sound and they scattered away. My uncle said, “They must be afraid of the light! Hold this and I’ll make us another one!” While my uncle made the other torch, I scanned the floor and stared at the bodies of some of the insects I had managed to crush. I could now recognize that type of insect they were, Scarab beetles. 

Crowd Scarab Beetles Eating New Fresh Wet Manure in Meadow by Pro ...African Dung Beetle
I reflected on and remembered that scarab beetles are also known as dung beetle and they are appropriately called that way because they toil for, defend, and eat excrement. Why had they been so attracted to me?  As disturbed as I was, soon my gaze focused on what rested beneath me. The debris pile I climbed onto was actually a snake den. Snakes started pouring and slithering out of every crevice. They all stated to quickly slither toward my uncle who was returning from lighting the other torch. They slid past my feet and were everywhere but they actually showed little interest in me. within seconds, More and more came out and they were hissing and staring at my uncle. 

The snakes of Narcisse HighRed-sided Gartersnake - Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis

Fred and his niece scampered away down the hill our hearts beating with panicked hysteria we saw behind us transparent figures and dark shadows just behind the top of the hill. Then they both stumbled and rolled until we smashed into a cherry tree, He looked at his niece's face trembling with tears. At that moment, his face radiated rage. 

He bolted back up that hill thundering out:
"In the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Precious Blood I bind you and send you to the Lamb of God." Suddenly, the figures and shadows appeared to be scampering and disappearing back to the place,

He came back and found Anita offering me cherries. Just as we were each about to bite into a handful of cherries,  a deep voice spoke to us. He had a serious tone, with a hint of sarcasm and he said, "I wouldn't do that if I were you." 

Our jaws dropped and we spun around to see who was there. A man stepped toward us and as he stepped into the glow of light coming from our torches we could see he wore a long black cassock. He had short dark hair, glasses, and he held a rosary in one hand and a thick leather bound book in the other.  We immediately recognized him as an exorcist we admired greatly, had listened to often and had learned much from. My uncle stepped forward, "Father Wolfferger?" 
He replied, "I'm glad I found you. We need to get you out of here, immediately!"
Wolfferger began praying in Latin and walking away, and we immediately followed him, staying closely behind. Between prayers, Father spoke with us:
“Our Lady of Mount Carmel sent me to be your guide. There is no way out of here except to pass through the depths of purgatory first. Turn around and I'll explain more after I show you something."
As, we had reached the top of the hill and as we turned around we could now have a clear view of where we had ascended from. It was a city built just around the outskirts of a deep, dark cavernous abyss, He said:
Right now you were at the gates of Hell. The only reason why you were not sent past the gates and devoured by this place to be tortured here for all eternity is because the Queen of Heaven has interceded on your behalf and Our Lord has not permitted it.”
My uncle and I reached for our scapulars which clung around our necks, we grasped them and closed our eyes as we prayed a thanksgiving. 
Father Wolfferger explained 
"The beetles had been attracted to you because of your predominant fault of sloth and the snakes had been attracted to my uncle because of his predominant fault of vain glory."
“The vermin at the gates here can 'smell' the state of your soul. Each has its favorite stench. The longer you are there the more The stench of sin and vice ferments, and thus the greater appeal you have. It begins with the vermin, but there are much bigger and more sinister things that would have soon come for you.” 

Anita's uncle asked "So, we're in Hell and near the Gates of Hell?' After Vatican II, they pretty much said no one was in Hell or Limbo?'

Father Wolfferger laughed and said "You may meet some of the Modernist who said that in your journey though Hell."
  
Fred replied, "Might through invisible ignorance some of them be in Limbo? Didn't the Protestant C. S. Lewis have a demon write, 'The difficulty lay in their very smallness and flabbiness. Here were vermin so muddled in mind, so passively responsive to environment, that it was very hard to raise them to that level of clarity and deliberateness at which mortal sin becomes possible. To raise them just enough; but not that fatal millimetre of “too much.” For then, of course, all would possibly have been lost. They might have seen; they might have repented. On the other hand, if they had been raised too little, they would very possibly have qualified for Limbo, as creatures suitable neither for Heaven nor for Hell; things that, having failed to make the grade, are allowed to sink into a more or less contented subhumanity forever."

Father with a ironic smile said, "You'll probably meeting Lewis on your journey."  

Fred asked, "Is he in Limbo or Purgatory?"
 
"You'll find out,but in the mean time, I will lead you both to a ferry that will carry you out of here. It will cross a large, dark body of water and drop you off at the shores of purgatory from where you'll catch a bus." 

As the two followed the priest, they saw dark thick fog then a swamp-like lake that stank like skunk spray. Fred said to his niece: "Snakes and black beetles behind us and skunks in front of us."



Chapter 2 The bus


Anita and I sat at the back of the bus, well away from the others and said quietly a Our Father and Hail Mary.

Almost immediately a bright eyed smiling woman sat next to us. As she did we moved off.

I heard you saying the Hail Mary so I thought you wouldn't mind me joining. All the other people in this bus are idiots.

"Why do you say that?" Anita asked.

The her bright eyes and warm, friendly face turned to whimpering and a few tears. Her face remained frozen that way for a moment, while you could tell that she was replaying something in her mind. Then a suddenly, she smirked and perked up, and replied, "Many of us were friends at one time or another." It's very sad, really, after all I did for them! Not even a single thank you!"

"I hope someday they will realized all I did for them. They only think of themselves. "

A man with a long gray beard appeared to overheard our conversation and hesitatingly turned around to face us. He looked up at the smiling woman and whispered, “Hi my name is Thomas. I couldn’t help but over head your conversation and thought I’d share with you a prayer that helps me to be generous with my time and possessions. When I get tempted to count favors, I ask God to help me be more generous and not to expect anything in return. Hope it helps.” He turned around and went back to reading a book he had in hand. 


The woman's face turned sour and she return to the front of the bus.

I said to Anita "It's amazing the reception our phone get here. I wonder how they got the technology into the borderlands of heaven and hell."

Anita said "Let see if we can google here."

We both stayed on the phones for hours until...


The bus driver called out “alright this is the last stop!”

We looked around and realized we had been so absorbed looking on our phones that we missed our stop and the last stop was certainly not heaven. Reluctantly we stepped off the bus. The driver immediately closed the bus doors and sped off like a cat with its tail in fire :) we could see why. As we looked around...

Orth, the Town at the Edge of The Abyss. From the anime Made in ...